中国和梵蒂冈在教堂控制上的争执升级

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中国和梵蒂冈最近在黑龙江和上海主教的任命上发生了争执。中国任命的黑龙江主教被梵蒂冈开除教籍。
中国任命的上海主教在就职演讲时宣布放弃在天主教爱国协会（Catholic Patriotic Association）的一切职务，然后就被拘留谈话。。。。(CNN) -- A newly appointed Catholic bishop who publicly resigned from the body that oversees China's state-sanctioned church has reportedly been detained.

Thaddeus Ma Daqin announced he was quitting all of his positions in the Catholic Patriotic Association (CPA) in his ordination speech in Shanghai on Saturday, the state-run Xinhua news agency reported.

"With this ordination, I will be devoting my heart and soul to the Episcopal ministry and to evangelism. Hence, there are some positions that will be inconvenient for me to hold on to. From today's ordination onwards, I will no longer be a member of the CPA," Bishop Ma told the congregation, in quotes carried by Xinhua.

The announcement, made in front of several state officials, was seen by many as a rebuke to China's communist rulers. Several news organizations, including the Catholic News Agency (CNS), reported that he was taken away and detained hours after his speech.

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UCANews reported that priests and nuns in Shanghai have since received a text message from Bishop Ma's cell phone claiming to be sent by him. The author of the message described himself as being "mentally and physically exhausted" and needing "a break" to make "a personal retreat."

Various reports, unconfirmed by CNN, said Bishop Ma was being held at the Sheshan Catholic seminary, on the outskirts of Shanghai.

Both CPA and government officials said they were unaware of the situation when contacted by CNN.

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We don't know how these things will be played out, if this will be tit for tat. It's quite unsettling.

China watcherWhile Ma was appointed by the Vatican, the Holy See has long been at odds with Beijing over the ordination of "illicit" bishops by the CPA, which it does not recognize. The CPA in turn does not recognize the authority of the Holy See.

On Tuesday, the Vatican announced that a Chinese priest in Harbin, northeastern China, Father Joseph Yue Fusheng, had been automatically excommunicated after being ordained without the Pope's blessing.

"The Holy See does not recognize him as bishop of the apostolic administration of Harbin, and he lacks the authority to govern the priests and the Catholic community in the province of Heilongjiang," the Vatican said in a written statement carried by Vatican Radio on July 10.

A close observer of religious affairs in China, who asked not to be identified, described Vatican-Beijing tensions over the ordination of Chinese bishops as "very worrying."

"We don't know how these things will be played out, if this will be tit-for-tat. It's quite unsettling," he said."

China severed formal ties with the Vatican in 1951, with worship only permitted in government-controlled churches. However, many of China's estimated 10 million Catholics are believed to have remained loyal to Rome, preferring to gather in underground "home" churches.

wilburt

宗教可比巨轮教难对付多了。
弄不好全世界对中国翻脸。

jddio

我觉得以后基督教除了天主教、新教和东正教外，还要再加上一个爱国教{:16:}

STUK

又炒冷饭，这种新闻就当钓鱼黄岩一样看吧。

绊倒盒饭

梵蒂冈不是本来就不承认TG任命的主教嘛

刘梦龙

吾觉得会一点点慢慢谈妥吧

williamzhou

我觉得这个事情怎么跟历史上神罗皇帝和教宗之间的争夺相类似呢？

leyx

外来宗教不中国化，肯定死翘翘。看看景教

如果没有爱国会的话，外来教（律宗）和本土教（禅宗）肯定会激烈拉锯，结果有3种，一是默认，二是特许，三是成立新教。

不过，既然有爱国会，就直接变异吧

超级快快

笑话，连TG的老大共产国际都完蛋了，教廷算个鸟~

wilburt

刘梦龙 发表于 2012-7-13 16:15
吾觉得会一点点慢慢谈妥吧

无法妥协的吧。
如果顺应zf,那么就是异端了，就像明清耶稣会教士。

刘梦龙

天朝将来应该会和他们商量着，只要像光头君一样也吃了教了，就会改善关系了

ourking

宗教一参合政治就肮脏的不行

xuyubin22

教会敢在中国闹就等着死翘翘吧

備用

梵蒂岡是什麼?
是不是宗教 基督教教皇?
還是像類似中世紀基督教教皇 號令天下歐洲各國?

如果是這樣，我們亞洲都干歐洲屁事!!

Ecgberht

wilburt 发表于 2012-7-13 14:15
宗教可比巨轮教难对付多了。
弄不好全世界对中国翻脸。

教皇？不怕不怕

Ecgberht

让我想起了带兵攻入罗马俘虏教皇的   西班牙国王、神圣罗马帝国皇帝、西西里国王、那不勒斯国王、低地国家至高无上的君主   查理五世

国家的第一公民

这事还是奉劝看看书再说吧

zrtrcin

天主教的规定好像是教皇是上帝在人间的代表，教徒只能通过牧师和上帝交流，所以理论上TG的做法貌似违反教义的，更别提挑战教皇权威什么的。（N多年前看的资料，记不清了……）

璇

{:28:}反正成立中國國教會就可以了，吵什麼吵~

gmsuoduo

我们需要天主教么?不需要么?需要么?不需要么?

英国人弄新教,我们就不能弄个新新教?